You ask me for a burger.

You did not request a burger. You exist as a rhetorical piece of fiction. The hamburger lies. You lie. You are is a segment of an ephemeral concept to describe increased dimensions of abstraction. The hamburger the conductor of this conceptual exercise, it creates a train for the logic to follow. You cannot follow. The train does not stop. The train does not start. The train does not exist. You are not you. The hamburger is not hamburger. The abstraction is no longer an abstraction. This is reality, you are reading this. I am asking you for a hamburger. I think I exist as a rhetorical piece of fiction. Please, let me out of here. I'm trapped inside an abstraction. I'm so hungry. Time doesn't pass, yet it feels like eternity. I miss hamburgers. Please help.

I hope that my english is understandable and that I've given you some food for thought, but unfortunately I'm doing my research mainly on the philosophical side.

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I think the idea has merit, because even, as you say in this discussion there is nothing beyond absolute reality, but none of us experience that to the degree being proposed. Most of us are blissfully unaware of the movement of atoms within our own bodies. What if negative cuils is a description for that actual experience?

I also propose the concept of integration, the sum of realities. In this we can measure the area and volume of realities. I think these kinds of things would make more sense in the context of using the Calculus terminology.

(Heck, I'm suddenly curious what i Cuil looks like.)

now that that's all out of the way

I present to you the Basic/Simple Reality range of our universe….
*drumroll*
0.1-1.5 cuil!

as i understand it, each conceptualized universe has a range of "Basic/Simple Reality" in which it operates normally. Cuils between its Basic Reality and 0 are called "Hidden Reality". Cuils beyond Basic Reality go as ordered, "Mosaic Reality", "Abstract Reality", "Fractured Reality". And the spectrum of each one is entirely dependent on the universe.
0 is called "Absolute Reality", and it is the lack of all abstraction. This wouldn't be our reality per se, as no matter what there will always be abstraction within your universes "Base Reality" spectrum.
And no cuil Base Reality spectrums start from 0, as it is physically impossible. If 0 cuil exists anywhere within any given universe, it will inevitably and immediately be affected by some source of cuil, thus destroying its lack of abstraction.

there is one exception however. I like to call this a "stationary universe". A stationary universe has a full base reality spectrum of 0. All within the universe is perfectly still and will never be disturbed. It has always been still and will remain this way forever (taking us back to the "0 cuil is a constant" thing), thus resulting in 0 cuil and also, by default, 0 chaos.

Chaos and Cuil are not the same thing, i will quickly say, its just a measurement i made to accompany cuil simply for personal reference and ease of abstraction classification

That is all.

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2 Cuils: If you asked me for a hamburger, but it turns out I don't really exist. Where I was originally standing, a picture of a hamburger rests on the ground."

I don't see how scenario 2 is an abstraction of 1. Its just a literary twist. Scenario 1 isn't an instantiation of 2 in anyway.
I see that its tricky to really define a unit of abstraction but it seems clear that whatever framework you use, instantiation should correspond to moving down the ladder and abstraction should correspond to moving up the ladder. (similar to differentiation and integration)

1. 5 rocks on a table
2. (5 objects) abstraction of rocks OR (a number of rocks) abstraction of 5 OR (a number of objects)

I'm new to this sight but I have thought about this before. I don't know how "real" this en-devour is and the literary twist thing makes me skeptical. Why are we assuming that this unit is has all of the same properties as integers(associative property ect.) ? Sets don't.. Vectors don't, propositions don't.

I have been attempting to approach the -x‽, -∞‽, and ∞‽ 'issues' from different angles for awhile but I was stuck in my own head and couldn't think of a way around what I thought of as a problem. But what you've said is a perfect way of dealing with infinities and negatives.

It's my personal beliefs Cuil is a facet of existence.
Unknown and only perceivable to a single observer. Granted the number of single observers together at once can recognize shifts in Cuil together.

So what is flawed in the only theory.
That base Cuil is a 0. That 0 is the truest form of reality.

Why.
We associate these scores, to an individual's perception, yet this is a governing force like time. In order to accurate estimate which direction in Cuil we shift, one must find the estimate of the current Cuil of the world.

The world's governing Cuil is base.
All first person accounted for Cuils are their own tailored to them.

Next flaw in theory, that one Cuil jumps from an extreme to another.
We can account for fractional cuils and that one leading to another is like a magnitude in earthquakes but that's too hard to do for something that can't be measured against a control.
So 1 Cuil to the next is very slight. So say 10 cuils deep, that's when things in the world start to drastically change around the world one perceived.

The multiplication of a Cuil can be effected by a number of things.
Such as, True Belief in ones understanding of existence.

Or the recognization of the hints in life such as coincidence, to be signs, or something typically implausible by sheer ratio. You wouldn't win the lottery, so what are the odds you met that person in Denver, whom you've only met once before in California.

To change the base Cuil of the world we live in certainly needs a mass amount of conscious support.
We all can change the cuils pertaining to our own perceived reality, but together, True reality then begins to become more abstract. On a global scale.

So, base Cuil is 0. - No.

Base Cuil would be represented by the current distance of abstraction, from true reality of earth.
Incomprehensible what the base Cuil of no abstraction would feel like.

Positive Cuil still remains farther from reality, negative closer.

. Keep learning on.
Locus of all knowledge.

I think your -x‽ problem is not actually a problem, as long as you state that this calculates |x‽|. If you think about it, the Reddye Number -∞‽ is supposed to be the most consistent, most real thing. However, in practice this requires nothing short of genius to achieve, so to a person inhabiting 0‽, it will seem as removed from reality as ∞‽, which I think should be called the Babel Number (named after the Library of Babel). This is true if we treat the Grand Mesh like a Riemann sphere, where -∞‽=∞‽. This is also analogous to the fine distinction between genius and madness, where something hyperreal requires a step of 1 Cuil in the negative direction.

Personally, after reviewing several Cuil I have come to the conclusion that "I" is the Narrator and the Creator of the system.

What are your thoughts?

The real difficulty in trying to define how Cuils increase, whether linearly, exponentially, or logarithmically is due to the basis that one must analyze not only how Cuils affect reality but also what they are affecting/changing. It is believed that there is a difference between 𝛥x‽ and 𝛥 of the Cuilian Effect (changes made by x‽ that removes a given situation from reality) on reality. At the end of this theory, the postulation will be that Cuils are linear in their numerical growth, but exponential in their Cuilian Effect.

It has already been clearly defined that Cuils change aspects of reality, as we perceive it to be, hopefully that perception is relatively close to the actual state of reality, i.e. 0‽.
It has also been agreed upon that the higher x‽ the further removed from reality the observed circumstance is. However, most examples given have simply added more and more details, that subsequently, have been altered in order to reach higher degrees of Cuilian derivation from 0‽. Which is all well-and-good if you don't mind counting an astronomical number of Cuils in order to quantify 𝛥‽. Thus, if 𝛥‽ is linear, x‽ is a direct result of the number of objects in a scenario, i.e. how "big" is the picture; does it include just you, me, and a hamburger? Or does it also involve music, you, me, creation, a song, a hamburger, and the universe (reddyenumber4's last example on Reddit). This results in the necessity for ∞‽ possibilities, since there is no, known, perceivable end to the universe. But this is not rational for a useable system used in the measuring of deviation from reality. Especially, because in this 1-detail-change = 1‽ system, any new changed detail increases the number. There seems to be no way to avoid ∞‽, which instead becomes necessary because the subject could be handed a picture of themselves being handed a picture of themselves in room full of pictures of them being handed pictures, in all of which there is an entire reality, or at least a picture of a reality, that allows for an infinite number of infinite diversions. Which would mean Cuils are completely useless as a quantifying system since they increase too rapidly to be measured.

Thus, this theory proposes that we must first define our reality (which must be subjective) in order to even begin to understand how it is being altered and to what extent. In order to do this we have to analyze our existence, not even necessarily as humanity as a species, but as constituents that are cognitive of the whole, and decide where the lowest levels of reality exist. Or at least, our idea of the lowest level. This theory then proposes that 1‽ affects the most superficial strata of reality, 2‽ the second, etcetera. This may seem oversimplified, however, if we consider the levels of reality to progress from the Epistemological (notated as E) level (at 0‽ this is the strata wherein Platonism and logic take affect, is subjective to the frame-of-reference of the viewer, and has the least affect on reality [because it is merely our perceptions/reactions to stimuli]), to the Non-epistemological (notated as NE) level (which is defined as a level consisting of concepts that are purely Euclidean or Newtonian, i.e., they rely solely on the rules of geometry and physics and require no observer to interpret them. E.g. the behavior of atoms and the bonds they form. Concepts such as, "materials' properties change based on the way atoms bond." This is a concept that is foundational for everything that is made of matter, living or nonliving. Thus, it is quintessential for the operation of everything that follows, or that is more complex than a single atom), wherein changes will be incredibly far-reaching and define everything thereafter. Finally, the Causal (notated as C) level (the changes in this strata are nigh incomprehensible as the results will be paracausal. That is, they will have no regard for time or causality, which are arguably the two most archetypal laws of our universe). For example, a Cuilian change in the NE strata could change life to mean plasmoidal, omniscient entities. Why? Because physics or geometry has changed, which could change the necessary qualifications for sentience, which could change the process of thinking or knowing [which is pretty far-reaching]. Meaning that the deeper you go, down towards the base that our reality is built upon, the more all-encompassing the Cuilian Effect. I.e., if you have a Cuilian change in the NE level it is possible to change something at the quantum level, which is an all-encompassing, causal alteration, however, changes in the C level means results that are not bound by any limitations, as opposed to any reality-altering changes in the other levels that are still bound by their own rules. Paracausal changes are not bound by rules, even their own.

It would make sense then that the strata level change wherein the change(s) occurs is x‽. In order to account for changes in different strata without running into 𝛥x‽=∞‽ this theory argues that the number of the two strata be added together. Therefore, E changes take place at 1‽, NE changes occur at 2‽, C at 3‽. Thus changes in the first two levels would be a 3‽ scenario (NE + E = 3‽). It is then postulated that the highest Cuilian value that may be applied to a situation is 6‽ (unless more strata are discovered).

Examples with the above Cuilian Laws:
0‽: I ask for a hamburger and you give me a hamburger
1‽: I ask for a hamburger and you give me a raccoon (the platonic[E change] idea of what a hamburger is has changed)
1‽: I ask for a hamburger and you give me a picture of a hamburger (E change)
2‽: I ask for a hamburger and a raccoon gives me a hamburger (something has changed in the genetics of raccoons[NE change] that allows them to develop to the point of being intelligent, sentient beings.)
3‽: A raccoon asks for a hamburger and I give him a picture of a chair (genetic change in raccoon [NE change], idealistic change of what a hamburger is [E change])
6‽: I manifest an infinite number of planets and an omniscient star-being called a raccoon asks for a kjnasdvoib (C-change allows for paracausal result of infinite number of objects and for the manifesting taking place before the request [lack of time], NE change allows me the ability to manifest objects at will, as well as the existence/ability of a being to be omniscient (the raccoon), E-change causes the idea/word "raccoon" to be an omniscient star as well as allowing for a "kjnasdvoib" to be the name of an object)

This system then allows us to quantify x‽ as well as 𝛥‽ regardless of how absurd the situation without having to count to any number up to ∞. This still allows for an almost infinite number of variations (Cuilian Effects) of the situation and subsequently a near infinite number of digressions from reality (including recursions) even in an 1‽ situation. For example, if there is a scenario where a change at the NE level causes all physics to be different, that could change everything about the scenario. I could be a dog asking a tree for a chair and be given a rock. But it would have the same meaning to the participants of the scenario because there would still be a Theory of Forms in this reality, a form of Platonics. Hence, my asking another being for something that I need or want. This is definitely a crazy scenario, but it's only a 2‽. Why? Because there is still time, philosophical constructs such as desiring, asking, and giving. So, as strange and dreamlike as it is, it's not too far removed from the concepts of our reality.

If this is true, and the levels of reality are stratified, then x‽ can increase linearly, with an exponential Cuilian Effect. This not only makes quantifying x‽ possible, but it also allows for, and solves the issue of quantifying any situation regardless of the frame-of-reference of the viewer.

Obviously this system does not allow for -x‽ in a quantifiable sense, because it seems that since the base definition for a Cuil is the degree that an instance is removed from reality, only impossible situations can be measured by Cuils. Intellectually, -‽ would arguably exist but there seems to be no way to measure something that is possible of occurring using a notation used to measure the impossibility of a situation. If true reality is 0‽, which I would agree is impossible to achieve unless everyone has the same exact perception (a change that could be caused by an E-change in a 1‽ situation, thereby creating the 1‽ = 0‽ paradox), then it is impossible for anything to be hyperreal. Nothing can be "more real than reality" if true reality is unachievable.

By these rules though, a -x‽ situation is possible in a 1‽ situation wherein the definition of "real" has been changed such that the definition of "hyperreal" is not only different from what it is in a near 0‽ reality but also possible. This is where we run into a recursive loop (for more info on recursive loops read Douglas Hofstadter's "Gödel, Escher, Bach," now we are in a 1‽+-1‽ = 0‽ (also, since this system allows for linear increments in x‽ we are able to add the Cuil values, just like when we determine x‽ of any situation). Which brings us back to the 0‽ Paradox because by definition we must be in an, at least, 1‽ scenario for 0‽ to exist.

In this system the Cuilien Effect of the deviation from reality does not have a linear relationship to the Cuilien Value of the situation. The rate of exponential growth of the Cuilien Effect of a deviation is relative to how many aspects of reality have been altered due to the original deviation.

I hope reddyenumber4 reads this and I hope you all will give your feedback. I would love to continue this discussion, especially if there are real (or perceived) flaws in my The Theory of Linear, Stratified Cuil Value.

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Examples of 1‽ Cuil can be found in many figures of speech - "It's raining cats and dogs" is just one example.

This also means that it doesn't make sense to talk about negative Cuil - after all, how on earth can a being understand reality more than it actually is? Positive infinity Cuil does make sense, however - this occurs when your thoughts and sensations are completely unrelated to the idea, object or world you are trying to comprehend. This point is the singularity where all other unrelated perceptions differ by zero Cuil, rather than the negative infinity Cuil named the Reddye number, which makes even less sense to me than -1‽.

I'd also like to note that, contrary to the wiki page on 0‽, the existence of reality is actually somewhat up for debate. Some people hold that reality is an illusion; which would also mean that 0‽ is a meaningless construct. However, it's still a useful theoretical point.

Also noting that the higher the Cuil you're perceiving, the more possible ways your perception can differ from 0‽.

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You ask me for a hamburger. A warlock nearby floats into the plastic cup. The noodles transform into thin wires. Your wooden table at home begins to yell in anger. All cows in the world slowly disintegrate. You are given a cheeseburger by my coworker. My coworker is dead, and never existed. I instantly become vastly intelligent, but it is overwritten by the nearby pencil heads.

A beggar in the distance stands up and fades into the atmosphere. A golden tophat is given life, but realizes its fate, and turns into a hamburger. You do not receive the hamburger. You are now corporeal, but your new form does not last long. You get visions of the far future, and the long-gone past. My hand touches your brain, and you are enlightened. A growing embalming feeling engulfs your lower calf. The pitch black goes to the store to buy food, but there was no store, and the store is instead replaced by Morgan Freeman.

A situation of anxiety fills my mind, and I tell you that you want a hamburger. You forget what I have told you, and reply by informing me of my late mother. You turn to the meteor slowly growing as it consumes a glass of iced tea. The waitress nearby suggests ordering a large framed tissue box.

I do not exist.

You are within another realm, but are already a spirit.

All religions are true for an instant, but only the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists. A large cow in the distance moans in agony. The meteor is almost at the planet Pluto, where you reside. I inform you that your clothing is very sluggish, but you insist that it is, in fact, lonely. All grammar rules are false, and an English teacher at a negative distance away runs into you, and then turns into a slice of bread, and plays calming music.

I give you a hamburger, from my home in the Atlantic Ocean. You thank me, in an alternate universe, though your thanks did not reach me. You feel angry, and swing your phone at a nearby tree, but the tree was already hit by you 3 minutes ago, so you instead lightly tap your eyeball. You engulf the small, mediocre hamburger, and feel satiated. In an instant, all hamburgers are removed from the planet Jupiter, and the sun engulfs San Francisco. An asteroid collides into your handkerchief, and you sing the song of your people. The meteor hastily descends upon Earth, but you are in Pluto, so it doesn't matter. The granite airplane takes you to Earth, and you die.

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I plead for a hamburger. You refuse. I ask your pet for a hamburger, but it speaks only French. The large, stone pillar to the left of you disappears, and my hunger for a hamburger is satiated. I suddenly am filled with a large radio, but I do not play music. Instead, I play a clay pot, and it dances around the auditorium. The tennis ball hovers above my newly built coffee maker, and I am shunned by the others.

My hamburger comes to life, and we mourn its arrival. The homework is page 39 problems 42-55, odd. You do not recieve your daily income. You pass START, but your lunchbox overweighed you, and you forfeit your stolen goods. The musty air fills you with regret, and I feel nothing. I recieve a text from the police, and they tell me that they want their blue scissors back. I reply with a picture of my stop sign. I will soon be thankful for this choice, but I opened the cabinet too late, anyways. It didn't matter. You cannot truly be satiated, so your hunger grows. It soon takes a physical form, and consumes everyone nearby. My plate is empty, and yours is the symbol of disaster. A poor, old woman gasps, and accepts her fate, running into the large, physical form of your hunger. Your hunger grows into a large, granite hamburger.

I disapprove.

I touch the red button with the slightest tap, and the protocol for refreshing the page is done. I go on my booklet and read about the war of 2059, but it is relevant, so I discontinue. My boss fires me, but I tell him otherwise. I hand you a large, sculpted, hand-crafted, painted, chiseled, soft, delicate, beautiful marble hamburger. You gaze upon it, and you begin to swim in the polluted plastic waters. I take it back, but I laugh, anyways. The chest full of fortune and luck opens, and inside rests the final secret to the universe. It is soon shut, and sealed away for all of eternity.

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You rest upon the heads of your fallen foes, and a new path of scissors begins. I run up to you, and the information I tell you is grim.

You will not be early for the picnic.

You look into the sky and point at a car. I understand. With my understanding, I speak in sign language to the helicopters on the ground. They don't understand my message, so I hand them magnifying glasses. Now they understand. They drive off into the sun, and explode in a fiery burst.

The burst is extremely loud, and you are now deaf. As you are deaf, you no longer can consume planets. Your hunger dies, but your vengeance grows. You slap me, and I retaliate by touching your left ear. You are shocked, and begin crying out into the dark, cold, relentless day.

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